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		<title>By: Mitch Altman &#8211; Geeks and Depression Panel at 28c3 &#124; bluehackers.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-248</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Altman &#8211; Geeks and Depression Panel at 28c3 &#124; bluehackers.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at 28c3 (the 28th congress of the Chaos Computer Club in Germany) in 2011 after the passing of Ilya Zhitomirskiy (co-founder of the Diaspora project). I think the video (40 minutes) is worth watching, the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: What Happened to Diaspora, the ‘Facebook Killer’? It&#8217;s Complicated &#124; Motherboard &#124; Itsaat</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>What Happened to Diaspora, the ‘Facebook Killer’? It&#8217;s Complicated &#124; Motherboard &#124; Itsaat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 04:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] anyone had even a clue that Ilya was depressed, let alone suicidal,” wrote Mitch Altman, a veteran hardware hacker who knew Ilya through Noisebridge, the San Francisco [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: HACKER QUI BAT &#171; blooogui</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>HACKER QUI BAT &#171; blooogui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] de son ami Ilya Zhitomirskiy, un des fondateurs du réseau social libre Diaspora, il a lancé un appel. White hat, grey hat, black hat et blue hackers : J’ai vécu la première partie de ma vie dans [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de son ami Ilya Zhitomirskiy, un des fondateurs du réseau social libre Diaspora, il a lancé un appel. White hat, grey hat, black hat et blue hackers : J’ai vécu la première partie de ma vie dans [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Altman: The Hacker Lifestyle &#187; OWNI.eu, News, Augmented</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Altman: The Hacker Lifestyle &#187; OWNI.eu, News, Augmented</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the suicide of his friend Ilya Zhitomirskiy, a founder of the social network Diaspora, he made an appeal. To white hat, grey hat, black hat &#8211; all blue [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the suicide of his friend Ilya Zhitomirskiy, a founder of the social network Diaspora, he made an appeal. To white hat, grey hat, black hat &#8211; all blue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Altman, hacker qui bat &#187; OWNI, News, Augmented</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Altman, hacker qui bat &#187; OWNI, News, Augmented</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] de son ami Ilya Zhitomirskiy, un des fondateurs du réseau social libre Diaspora, il a lancé un appel. White hat, grey hat, black hat et blue hackers : J&#8217;ai vécu la première partie de ma vie [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anyone is writing to this comment thread, then they are asking for help, or offering help (or both).  

@noone -- you chose a name to express your shame, your depression, your feelings of worthlessness?  That shame, that depression, those feelings -- they prove you exist, that you are someone.  And you deserve to exist.  As you can read, there are others, including myself, who have shared at least some of your experience, some of your intense feelings of worthlessness, your sense that there is no one to reach out to.  You found a place with people to reach out to.

@Marshall and @Amanda -- I think that you both are actually on the same page (just different ways of expressing emotional realms that are ever so difficult to express) (and we are certainly going to be somewhat sensitive to language that has worked and not worked for us in our past experiences).

Holiday times are often the worst for depression.  They always were for me.  It is a time when we are *supposed* to have warm fuzzy loving feelings with family and loved ones.  I never felt even a hint of that possibility with my family when I was super depressed.  And seeing images of idilic families on billboards, magazines, TV (as well as families in the street seeming to emulate those images), while all the while it all seemed to be about buying and selling and marketing... -- it drove me further inward to hide from my shame and frustrations and rage and feelings of total worthlessness and self-loathing.  

And from volunteering on an emotional support hotline for many years, it seems that my feelings of worse depression during holidays are not so unique to me -- holiday times are the times when we got the most calls.

Please feel free to express whatever you wish here -- it is totally anonymous (if you like), and it is a place where I hope you will feel fine and safe to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is writing to this comment thread, then they are asking for help, or offering help (or both).  </p>
<p>@noone &#8212; you chose a name to express your shame, your depression, your feelings of worthlessness?  That shame, that depression, those feelings &#8212; they prove you exist, that you are someone.  And you deserve to exist.  As you can read, there are others, including myself, who have shared at least some of your experience, some of your intense feelings of worthlessness, your sense that there is no one to reach out to.  You found a place with people to reach out to.</p>
<p>@Marshall and @Amanda &#8212; I think that you both are actually on the same page (just different ways of expressing emotional realms that are ever so difficult to express) (and we are certainly going to be somewhat sensitive to language that has worked and not worked for us in our past experiences).</p>
<p>Holiday times are often the worst for depression.  They always were for me.  It is a time when we are *supposed* to have warm fuzzy loving feelings with family and loved ones.  I never felt even a hint of that possibility with my family when I was super depressed.  And seeing images of idilic families on billboards, magazines, TV (as well as families in the street seeming to emulate those images), while all the while it all seemed to be about buying and selling and marketing&#8230; &#8212; it drove me further inward to hide from my shame and frustrations and rage and feelings of total worthlessness and self-loathing.  </p>
<p>And from volunteering on an emotional support hotline for many years, it seems that my feelings of worse depression during holidays are not so unique to me &#8212; holiday times are the times when we got the most calls.</p>
<p>Please feel free to express whatever you wish here &#8212; it is totally anonymous (if you like), and it is a place where I hope you will feel fine and safe to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: wizard23</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>wizard23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&quot;For folks who don’t know, Ilya Zhitomirskiy, one of the founders of Diaspora,...&quot;...&lt;/strong&gt;

For folks who don’t know, Ilya Zhitomirskiy, one of the founders of Diaspora, committed suicide recently.  He was 22 years old. Ilya hung out at Noisebridge, and also led workshops and hackathons for Diaspora at our space.  Most people who met him were...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;For folks who don’t know, Ilya Zhitomirskiy, one of the founders of Diaspora,&#8230;&#8221;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>For folks who don’t know, Ilya Zhitomirskiy, one of the founders of Diaspora, committed suicide recently.  He was 22 years old. Ilya hung out at Noisebridge, and also led workshops and hackathons for Diaspora at our space.  Most people who met him were&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@amanda You&#039;re right. You need luck (and a lot more). Most importantly you have to let chances happen. Therapy != solution for me, but I don&#039;t disagree with you at all. Mea culpa, I am chided. I did say &quot;I have been depressed&quot;, I did not say &quot;I&#039;ve also been a troll&quot; - we are *all* lucky I&#039;m in recovery. Mostly. *twitch*

To the point of silent suffering:
I have seen outreach fail, but Mitch is absolutely right. A better life is worth it, and you always have choices.
Like I said, in depression we close options off. Fight that. Try something. All the things - as a habit, if you can.
Nobody has &#039;the answers&#039; but seeking them with others is a lot more tolerable than presuming they don&#039;t exist.

If you are in Austin TX, come hack at our space. We&#039;ve got geeks w/depression too. Else Go. Seek. Try.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@amanda You&#8217;re right. You need luck (and a lot more). Most importantly you have to let chances happen. Therapy != solution for me, but I don&#8217;t disagree with you at all. Mea culpa, I am chided. I did say &#8220;I have been depressed&#8221;, I did not say &#8220;I&#8217;ve also been a troll&#8221; &#8211; we are *all* lucky I&#8217;m in recovery. Mostly. *twitch*</p>
<p>To the point of silent suffering:<br />
I have seen outreach fail, but Mitch is absolutely right. A better life is worth it, and you always have choices.<br />
Like I said, in depression we close options off. Fight that. Try something. All the things &#8211; as a habit, if you can.<br />
Nobody has &#8216;the answers&#8217; but seeking them with others is a lot more tolerable than presuming they don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>If you are in Austin TX, come hack at our space. We&#8217;ve got geeks w/depression too. Else Go. Seek. Try.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure how to say this without sounding a little confrontative in nature... but it seems to me that @noone and @someone ARE reaching out in their own way.  Maybe I&#039;m reading too much into their comments, but to me it seems that they are asking for help. They&#039;re asking for someone to give a fuck. I just encourage that we try to be there for them to reach out to.  @someone or @noone could very well been the next Ilya just asking for someone to care.  I just guess that somehow an article stating &quot;hey guys, if you&#039;re feeling depressed, reach out&quot; and then someone reaches out in the comments,  more or less saying &quot;I&#039;m ready to make this decision&quot;, (by saying that alone,to me at least, they&#039;re asking for help), and the replies are simply &quot;good luck in your struggles&quot;. I hate to say it, but this breaks my heart.  &quot;Reaching out&quot; is hard, and it very rarely comes in the form of &quot;hey guys, I need help&quot;.  I just think some of the education that needs to happen is, &quot;how to be receptive to people reaching out&quot; and &quot;the different ways that people can reach out&quot;.  I don&#039;t know... &quot;Good luck in your struggles&quot; just doesn&#039;t seem to cut it as a comment to an article asking those that are struggling to ask for help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how to say this without sounding a little confrontative in nature&#8230; but it seems to me that @noone and @someone ARE reaching out in their own way.  Maybe I&#8217;m reading too much into their comments, but to me it seems that they are asking for help. They&#8217;re asking for someone to give a fuck. I just encourage that we try to be there for them to reach out to.  @someone or @noone could very well been the next Ilya just asking for someone to care.  I just guess that somehow an article stating &#8220;hey guys, if you&#8217;re feeling depressed, reach out&#8221; and then someone reaches out in the comments,  more or less saying &#8220;I&#8217;m ready to make this decision&#8221;, (by saying that alone,to me at least, they&#8217;re asking for help), and the replies are simply &#8220;good luck in your struggles&#8221;. I hate to say it, but this breaks my heart.  &#8220;Reaching out&#8221; is hard, and it very rarely comes in the form of &#8220;hey guys, I need help&#8221;.  I just think some of the education that needs to happen is, &#8220;how to be receptive to people reaching out&#8221; and &#8220;the different ways that people can reach out&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know&#8230; &#8220;Good luck in your struggles&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t seem to cut it as a comment to an article asking those that are struggling to ask for help.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://blog.noisebridge.net/2011/11/19/please-reach-out/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@noone, you said &quot;Great in theory. But how do you reach out when there is nobody to reach out to?&quot;  and 
@someone, you said &quot;What if you reached out, and basically no one gave a fuck?&quot;

I used to think the same thing. And really, in my group of family in friends, in my head, it was true. But personally, my best resource was a therapist. I would attribute my being alive today to the 4 or so therapists I&#039;ve had in my life.  It sounds so cliche, but it&#039;s what got me through. When I thought no one gave a fuck, my therapist was there. When I thought there was no one to reach out to, my therapist was there. The therapists that I&#039;ve had through my last 20 years or so of battling my demons have given me the the clarity to understand what I was going through, the strength to reach out to others who loved me so that they too could understand what I was going through and therefor build a network of people, support and love to hold me up in the moments where I thought no one gave a shit. 

All it takes is one phone call and a visit... an hour of your time... to maybe start a relationship that could give you the life that you thought never existed for you.  And I get it.  I understand at this point that you may not even want that life anymore... because it just doesn&#039;t make sense that it could exist.  But, being someone that&#039;s been there before.  To every single day, wake up, barely have gotten the sleep out of my eyes and immediately feel cornered and scared, alone and out of hope, options, desire and passion. I get it.  But there is peace out there.  There are people that care to listen, that &quot;give a fuck&quot; that are there to &quot;reach out to&quot;.  For me it was a therapist.  For others it may be support lines, or &quot;Geeks &amp; Depression&quot; meetups.  I just encourage you to make a phone call. Check out this website to find a therapist near you. http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/
Or email me for my phone number at amandalynn at me dot com.  I &quot;give a fuck&quot; and I&#039;m here to &quot;reach out to&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@noone, you said &#8220;Great in theory. But how do you reach out when there is nobody to reach out to?&#8221;  and<br />
@someone, you said &#8220;What if you reached out, and basically no one gave a fuck?&#8221;</p>
<p>I used to think the same thing. And really, in my group of family in friends, in my head, it was true. But personally, my best resource was a therapist. I would attribute my being alive today to the 4 or so therapists I&#8217;ve had in my life.  It sounds so cliche, but it&#8217;s what got me through. When I thought no one gave a fuck, my therapist was there. When I thought there was no one to reach out to, my therapist was there. The therapists that I&#8217;ve had through my last 20 years or so of battling my demons have given me the the clarity to understand what I was going through, the strength to reach out to others who loved me so that they too could understand what I was going through and therefor build a network of people, support and love to hold me up in the moments where I thought no one gave a shit. </p>
<p>All it takes is one phone call and a visit&#8230; an hour of your time&#8230; to maybe start a relationship that could give you the life that you thought never existed for you.  And I get it.  I understand at this point that you may not even want that life anymore&#8230; because it just doesn&#8217;t make sense that it could exist.  But, being someone that&#8217;s been there before.  To every single day, wake up, barely have gotten the sleep out of my eyes and immediately feel cornered and scared, alone and out of hope, options, desire and passion. I get it.  But there is peace out there.  There are people that care to listen, that &#8220;give a fuck&#8221; that are there to &#8220;reach out to&#8221;.  For me it was a therapist.  For others it may be support lines, or &#8220;Geeks &amp; Depression&#8221; meetups.  I just encourage you to make a phone call. Check out this website to find a therapist near you. <a href="http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/" rel="nofollow">http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/</a><br />
Or email me for my phone number at amandalynn at me dot com.  I &#8220;give a fuck&#8221; and I&#8217;m here to &#8220;reach out to&#8221;.</p>
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